Thoughts on plots

[boromir]

Wait- is it necessary for me to put a picture and intro of Boromir here?

if it is... eh.. i'll just put it when i'm feeling more awake.

So yeah. hi guys ; u ; and i'll just cut to the chase because i can't really think. And sorry if i start to babble.

So with Boromir on Denethor's side of the war, this seperates him from most of the characters, geographically and alleigence wise.

But still. no harm in plotting possibilities.

Boromir & Faramir

I think i've discussed this a lil with you, but i'll just try to re write whatever i remember.

Boromir is quite hurt that Faramir had decided to leave, not because he is now siding with Aragorn, but because he had left his family. That Faramir would chose Gandalf and Aragorn over his own brother and father. or atleast this is what it looks like to Boromir. Yes, he knows that Faramir sided with Aragorn for the right reasons, but the fact that he left /them/ is the biggest punch in the gut.

I suppose Faramir had expected Boromir to come with him? What do you think?

Anyway. Despite all this Boromir still loves his lil brother, and will hug and squeeze the life out him if they meet again. ( of course, not if.. this meeting will occur during a battle. if it does.. well.. that will suck ) He does still hope that Faramir will come back.

Boromir & Denethor

Seriously. we need to get a denethor rper. I really want to see this relationship in these circumstances. Hm. First of all i think that their relationship may be a bit strained. With the war putting both of them on the edge. Boromir still tries to be a good son to his father, keeping his moods pleasant enough etc etc. He remains , and will remain with his father.

Boromir & Aragorn.

oh man. hah. this will be interesting. because Boromir KNOWS that Aragorn is the rightful king. He knows it in his gut and in his bones and in his heart. And yet, he is on the opposite side of the war, and he is fighting against his king. = all he believes in, ie. finally the king returns, happy ending, gondor restored to its former glory and he'll be there beside his king as his steward and in war, fighting with him, serving him, loyalty etc etc . .. destroyed.

Especially after the fellowship, he has come to think aragorn as a brother. which makes this war a whole lot more difficult on Boromir. Any thoughts? Because i think i just reached the 24 hour awake mark. I'm forgetting a lot of things i wanted to write in this. help.

also. remind me to elaborate on the thing i wrote in my app. about Aragorns capture of Minas Tirith.

Boromir & Orion.

Since geographically, i placed Boromir in Dol Amroth... i'm interested to see what will happen with these two. Since technically they're both in the military and Boromir, by rank, is above Orion... and well... looking at orions app...hehehe [ rubs hand together ] interesting indeedy. tell me what you think?

also. bonus. I had Boromir betrothed to a Harad princess, Ilanna. because it makes sense that Denethor will want the Harad on his side, so that they don't come up and bite his arse. and also to shake things up a lil bit. Ilanna will be mostly a background OC npc thing, unless someone wants to come up and play her for me xDD ( please? ) I'll write a few one shots .. or maybe just make a thread just dedicated to the development of these two's relationship.

also... maybe we can make their marriage wedding thing a sort of event? maybe? i dunno? something can happen during the wedding?

anyway. thats the end of my coherency i think.

gonna add to this a lot more later on. once i sleep. or pass out. whichever comes first.

anyway. nice meeting you guys ! it's awesome to be here. interesting AU .. hehe. /THROWS HUGS TO ALL OF YOU

[faramir]

Boromir and Faramir
It depends, actually. I left it vague in my application concerning who, other than the rangers, knew of Denethor's surprise-attack plan. Denethor had kept the plan a secret from Faramir, but would he have kept it from Boromir? Or at least purposely let slip a few hints? Faramir would have dropped a hint for Boromir to pick up, as he would not have had enough time to think things out fully before leaving for Gandalf and Rohan.

Faramir can only stay in Ithilien/by Aragorn's side and hope that -- and this is assuming that someone, perhaps Gandalf, told him of Boromir trying to take the ring -- Boromir's at least a little bit more to Gandalf's side of the war, that he's got plans tucked safely under his belt while distracting Denethor from trying to launch another attack, or do something equally as... well, bad.

On a lighter note,



What was the nickname Faramir gave Boromir at age three? Can he still use it?

[boromir]

First of all

HOW DARE YOU USE THAT FOX AND THE HOUND GIFSLSKDJSLKJDLSJLKDJSLDJDJSLJDLAJDLSJKLJLSD IN A POST CONCERNING BORMIR AND FARAMIR. HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO MY FEELS LSDKJSLJDSLDS I SCREAMED OKAY . I SCREAMED . andiloveyousoshush.

and the nickname, i was thinking of some shortened rendition of Boromir's name. Or some sort of name that babies use. You know when they still got that baby babble lisp thing. So, maybe, Bomil? i dunno. up to you. i bet faramir came up with tons of nicknames . and yes go ahead and use them laskdjlaksjdasjdasld also, boromir affectionately calls his bby brother little fox in my headcannon. hence, why i screamed so much when i saw that gif.

also have i told you how much i love how you interpret and write faramir. really. this is the most interesting ones i have seen. kudos to you bro.

and i don't think denethor told boromir about the plan, cause if he did.. then boromir would do everything he could to make sure denethor did not carry it out... and as for faramir dropping a hint about his leaving to boromir..? ( is that what you meant? ) i think boromir would have caught it, but he wouldn't want to believe that Faramir would ACTUALLY leave them. o n o. so i have a feeling he would ignore the hints..... i dunno. because he trusts faramir. and. well. hahaha /death by feels.

and what do you mean? ( by your second paragraph. sorry i'm not feeling the best today. last night was urgh 9 n 9 )

[faramir]

Boromir and Faramir
The subtitles make it worse:


Oh. Oh. Well. Bomil and just Bo (or Bo! Bo! for an infant Faramir) could be two of them. Little Fox. That sounds like what Boromir would call Faramir during/after a playful noogie at ages eight and thirteen.

Thank you. I try my best.

I meant a hint of Denethor's plans, as well as a much smaller one (can't be too trusting in times of war, even when it's your own brother + best friend) of Faramir leaving.

Technically speaking, Boromir's still in Gondor. Dol Amroth, which is where Uncle Imrahil's at. What I wanted to say is that Faramir, for now, won't be able to step foot in Dol Amroth, unless if there's a dire situation he's been sent to fix. In his head, Faramir is acknowledging the possibility (and hoping) that Boromir is distracting Denethor from launching another attack, or just (indirectly) restricting Denethor's power.

[boromir]

MURDER IS BAD. BAD. YOU'RE EEEEEVIIIIILLLLLLLLL LKSJDLKSJSLKJDLSJSLJDKLSJDLSJLSJLDSJL LA:DJSLJSLDJALJDSLJSDALDKSJDS OH GOD. FOX AND THE HOUND. NOW I"LL WATCH THIS MOVIE WITH DOUBLE THE FEELS. THANKS MAN. THANKS *Throws you a sarcastic rainbow*

and laksjdlksajd BO BO BOMIIIILL BOMIIIIIILLLL!!! UP UP? UP! AND NOOGIE SESSIONS AND AND LITTLE FOX BECAUSE I THINK IN THEIR GAMES FARAMIR WILL ALWAYS FIND LOOPHOLES IN THE RULES AND TRICK HIS WAY INTO WINNING EHEHE OH OH MAN I SHOULD SHOW YOU LIKE THIS COMIC STRIPS THINGS THAT ARE ABOUT BOROMIR'S CHILDHOOD ala CALVIN AND HOBBES.

oh yeah. hum maybe. maybe.... OH. i wonder if we can rp flashbacks?? ; UUUUUU ;

and boromir muse just smiled and said " Am i? xDDD i didn't know that i was " so maybe maybe... that will be interesting.. hm.. well i think boromir will do his best to avoid any sort of battle between the two gondors. he will try to reduce the damages inflicted on both sides... and.. yeah. it's totally possible he's doing all he can to just calm denethor down.

AND HERE. THE COMICS

www.kasiopea.art.pl/galleries/en/comic_strips

IT IS PERFECT OKAY . PERFECT. LKDSJSLKJDS

[faramir]

Boromir and Faramir
Great, now you know how I feel whenever I watch The Fox and the Hound. I've always thought Boromir physically resembled young Tod more than Faramir does. It's probably Faramir's sad puppy eyes. Well, I don't think Faramir's ways of finding the loopholes = tricks. But yes, he would have used his brain to win games over Boromir.

We can, actually. Unless if you're referring to Bomil and Famil's childhood flashbacks, or a random one ten years ago when Boromir looked like Richard Sharpe. We will have to ask for this.

Wow, thank you. They are a delightful read. So Faramir lost his first kiss to Theodred?

I also wanted to discuss Finduilas with you. I have a tendency to describe what Faramir remembers of her in some of my posts, so I would like to come to an agreement on her (physical, non-physical, etc) characteristics with you, especially since Boromir should be the one who remembers more of her (more accurately). What I have in mind so far is long, dark hair and a lot of Boromir-like charm, yet humbleness as well.

[boromir]

huhuhuhuhuhuu ; AAAA ; and like yeah i suppose not. but he'll definitely be winning games over boromir with his wits and brain. eheh

OHOHHOHO SHARPE OOOOOHHHHHH /swooning aw yis. nah what i meant was like maybe flashbacks before faramir left? BUT 10 YEARS AGO AND CHILDHOOD FLASHBACKS WILL BE AMAZING TOO SLDKJDSLKJDSLJS

hahaha BOMIL KISS? NO! lksajdlkajdlkajslkdjlajsd famil is so presh tho. and bomil aw bomil you and your hyperactivity.

Actually, for some reason, i've always imagined Fin to be blond ; n ; i dunno maybe it's because of the movie effect, boromir and faramir being light haired. BUT that doesn't matter. because i know as a lady of high numenorean blood, she would have had dark hair.. hm. And yes, i've always thought that boromir looks more like his mother than his dad.... hm... maybe we should go face claim hunting for her or something? also, because of sean bean, i can't get it out of my head that boromir has green eyes, instead of the usual gondor grey. ( yes sean has green eyes, even iif in the movies they make it look blue >B( buggers. he has nice green eyes dammit. y u change it. ) so maybe Finduilas has green eyes? i dunno. *SHRUGS* well. tolkien did describe that she had a gentle heart? but, in my headcanon she is also kinda spirited, like she used to go sailing and stuff when she was younger. so that's where boromir gets his spirit from.

Also. thinking of finduilas is giving me denethor finduilas feels ... so imma go crawl away and just.. console myself... or something.



oh wait. i'm feeling better now.

noi'mnotacreepwhat

[faramir]

Boromir and Faramir
But will Faramir triumph over Boromir in battle? Tune in next time on GondorLive!

Those should be fine.

"But it seemed to men that she withered in the guarded city, as a flower of the seaward vales set upon a barren rock. The shadow in the east filled her with horror, and she turned her eyes ever south to the sea that she missed." Yes, she was quite free-spirited, and hated confinement, or at least the confining feeling of Minas Tirith. I remember reading somewhere (though it could be an unreliable/non-canon source, I cannot remember for now) that Faramir resembles Denethor more in looks than Boromir does, so we could assume that Boromir physically resembles Finduilas. So Grey-green eyes? Tolkien did describe a gentle heart. Depression, too, for confinement reasons. My personal headcannon is a free, charming spirit who (1) never truly felt like she belonged in Minas Tirith/away from Dol Amroth/away from the sea and (2) resented her role as a mother at first, viewing it as a detriment to her freedom, but realised how much her sons needed her when Denethor began distancing himself from Faramir.

[boromir]

hehehehe xDDDD we should make that a thing.

anyway. wow. xD i didn't know that there was a reason. i just had a feeling she was free spirited. and wow. point made bro. now i feel like i didn't just stab at the dark and just go with whatever.

uhh. and yeah... leeemmee get my appendices... somewhere here...

yeah it's in the appendices. that Boromir was like Denethor in face and in pride but little else. while Faramir was like him in looks but otherwise in mind. He read the hearts of men as shrewdly as his father but what he read moved him sooner to pity that to scorn

so there you go. HAH. wooooo

and back to fin. yeah. that could work, that she resented her confinement. ESPECIALLY when she started to get sick and bed ridden, so that made things a lot worse for her emotions and only made her feel more trapped, thus made her sickness ... well.. yeah. oh man. and about the mother thing. maybe, at first she never saw herself as being a mother. like when she's younger she wanted to have adventures and the like. and when she was married to denethor and expected to be a mother, she was well... yeah she didn't like this sort of thing.

but... i don't think she started liking motherhood just for faramir's sake. like yeah, most young girls.. ( well. whatever. some. ) thinking motherhood as a scary confining thing and they don't think that they will like that sort of life... but birthing and having a child can change that. she will love the baby, and she will come to love motherhood, and soon after boromir is born, i don't think she would want any life without her son. so yeah.

and since you've mentioned it, i don't think denethor distancing himself from faramir? the man loves faramir. make no doubt bout that... and i think. i think. the first five years, before fin's passing, denethor was like a normal dad ( albeit a stoic cold one. but normal nontheless ) He probably tucked both boys into bed every night and told them stories to get the to go to sleep, and lectured them when they kicked a football in the house and broke an antique vase. i think at first, he treated both of them equally.

but after fin died, well for one thing denethor became colder and colder and more distant, so he didn't pay as much attention as he did before, to his sons. and boromir being 10 years old at the time, understood, to a certain extent, his grief and wasn't really disturbed by it. Boromir still understood that his father was still there, and that if he needed anything he can still knock on the office door and just sit with him. and besides, at this point boromir would have had his own friends and he wouldn't feel lonely anyway. friendly little thing, he was.

but faramir, is five years old. and as most kids at this age, he needs alot of attention and love. Attention and love that denethor does not know how to give, especially with his current state. So with denethor distancing himself from EVERYONE, faramir thinks that he's being abandoned. that everyone is leaving him ( except boromir ) since his mother died etc etc. so yeah. so that kinda effects him as he grows up, and he becomes very secluded in a way. keeping himself to himself. only a few friends, etc etc.

ugh. i've gone off track. what was the point i wanted to make.... oh yeah.

okay so i think that denethor sees himself in Faramir. faramir reminds him of himself. in a way. and then he sees his own failures in faramir, ( his failure to be a proper father to faramir, being one of them ) and kinda sub conciously, being the prideful man he is, rejects his failures. especially the one about being a proper dad to faramir. because at this point, he doesn't know how to fix it anymore. and he isn't the type to give hugs and say hey sorry that i've been cold and distant for the past 20 years, can we like start over? no hard feelings?

nope. he's this awkward ball of awkward social retartedness and he doesn't know how to fix this. THe reason why he's more openly affectionate to boromir ( thus giving the sort of feel that he is favouring one son . playing favourites ) is that Boromir is like Fin. and before fin died, denethor had already spent 10 years with boromir, thus, you know their relationship would have been more mature, and therefore didn't need a lot of fixing.

i think in faramir and denethor's case. both became more and more distant. and each side doesn't know what to do about the other. so. its like. whatdoyouwantfrommedaddy.jpg . iuhidunnogoandplayoutsideorsomething.jpg.

*SHRUGS*

Oh bugs. i wrote an freakin essay on this didn't i. oh well. i just have a lot of denethor feels. and this family feels. help.

anyway yeah. tell me what you think?

[aragorn]

Boromir & Aragorn: I do agree with what you've said about them seeing each other as brothers after the fellowship. Their closeness due to culture and such peaked during the events at Amon Hem. I also see Aragorn pardoning those who stood by Denethor upon their repentance, including Denethor himself if it ever happens. What he wants the most is to see peace and prosperity return to Gondor and he is a humble and self-sacrificing person by nature. It wouldn't take him much to accept these people back into the fold if they prove to have changed their minds because he wants to have them back.

I see Aragorn, after the long, he is just one year younger than Denethor himself, and somewhat hard life he has lived until now as a nomad and a ranger, to be a wise person and as they say as one grows in wisdom one learns to pardon more freely, reason why he won't hold rebellions against people like Orion Sandor. He knows he must earn their trust before he can claim their loyalty and hopes his actions will speak for themselves to his people. Also there is the old saying about the king that goes like this: "The hands of the King are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known." So as things happen and his skills as a healer get more widespread throughout Gondor, I see Aragorn gaining more loyal subjects that once had shunned him as their king too.

I also think that someone as experienced as Aragorn would have noticed when the tide of the battle at Minas Tirith turned in his favor and would have Boromir as his first thought for a reason due to their previous meeting during the fellowship. I do believe they have reached a sort of understanding of each other and that even though they are separated by this war and the sides they have taken in it, it would not be broken completely. It's like they can read each other in their actions as if their minds leave a tracking hint in the battlefield.

[boromir]

That would be great, if he would accept Denethor back. The only problem is if Denethor would accept Aragorn, as the King. As all sceptics, Denethor will counter the whole King hand healer thing as an old legend. Yes, some who still believes in the stories will rally to Aragorn because of that, and because of the rest of his claims. Such as Anduril, etc etc... ( which reminds me. because the ring was destroyed before the siege of Minas Tirith.. it was right? that means that aragorn did not have to call the Army of the Dead. haha. which would have been one more proof to his claim... which denethor would have found a way to dismiss it... i did read this one really good fic. where denethor was still alive, and he was shooting down every single one of aragorns 'proofs' hah. i can look for it if you want. ) And all of Denethors reasons would make sense to the sceptics. and lets face it. i think that there are more sceptics than believers in Gondor. I mean. its been like what 2000 years since they had a king? and all this time they've believed the line to have ended. 2000 years ago in real life, Jesus was still walking on this earth. soooo yeah. you can imagine the sort of ... thing.. you know?

Most of em have not met Aragorn. All they know is he's some ranger who's going hey. thats my throne and crown. may i have it back please? They don't know him. For all they know this guy is just some power hungry greedy pretender. They will support Denethor because the Stewards are what is real. And what has been real for all their lifetimes. Its the Stewards who defended their lands, fought Mordor, built houses, supported them, etc etc ( in their memories ) So they're like going , " Who is this Aragorn guy? And what has he ever done for us to make us bend our knee to them? "

Aragorn is a great guy and all, and no doubt he'll make a great king. But these guys don't know that. So they cling to something a bit more familiar, than one that had just come out of the woods / from legend or what not. heh. In canon, we didn't really have this problem because denethor had died and faramir was a supporter of aragorn and his claim. soooooo bloop.


Anyway. just giving my two cents from Denethors / his supporters pov. /end

as for the battle. yeah. i think Boromir would know the kind of man Aragorn is = he knows what kind of strategy play he uses for war. and vice versa. so ultimately, this war will be in more or less a stalemate. ( or you know. you win one. i win another. rinse repeat )

And i think when boromir purposefully turned the battle for minas tirith around.. he actually made that bit of leeway in the battle for aragorn. he knew that aragorn would be able to spot it and use it.

I think even after this war, boromir and aragorn will still have a good relationship. will have a good relationship. but we have to end this war first. ; n ;